May 3, 2003 Dialog

· Gathering The Dream
· Thalamus as the Bridge for Connection
· Energy Fields of Experience
· It doesn't matter

Good evening! And welcome to those in form and to those not in form. It is good to have all of you together in what must seem to you to be time. For us, however, it is as if we only stopped from our last time.

We have an announcement to make. We are going to begin this evening to examine the Gathering Dream. This is the topic, the Gathering Dream. The 12 Many Friends at our next time will have some things to say about that as well. Then, the following dialog and then the Solstice ceremony will be titled, so to speak, The Gathering Dream. So in case you are wanting to wrap your arms around some topic or other (Lucet likes to do that), that will do it for you.

There have been many experiences for all of you, have there not? Many things have come into your field of knowing. Some things you have understandings of, others you have decided are not of such a category to be needing understanding. But as you have classified these experiences, or these things that are moving through your field of experience, many of you are noticing (noticing) the importance of noticing these experiences. Not in terms of wrapping yourselves in an exclusive way in the midst of these experiences, but rather of allowing a natural flow (which you and your field of experience create) to guide your mind (your thinking self) as you move through these particular times in dimensional reality.

As many of you are aware, the time is for moving beyond the need for dimensional registers (or markers, or buoys if you were of a water kind), marking these dimensions and this flow of experience through the dimensionality. So what we want to do in this next series of discussions and dialogs, is to look at these movements through experience fields as what you may consider them to be; that is, the Gathering Dream. We are defining dream here not as some unconscious sleeptime activity that you do when you're in your bed. We are adding larger definitions and different concepts to that major one, and we are looking how and why and when and where and what you do in Gathering the Dream as you move through the experience field. Your mind moves through the experience field that you create.

In order to do that we go back to a construct in your head which is the symbolic representative of that. You will recall we have mentioned the crystalline fractal in the pineal gland. If any do not remember that you may find yourselves a tad lost but that is fine for you will be found before the evening is concluded.

Group: chuckle

Peter: And if you will recall, this little gem in your head, symbolized in your particular field of experience is utilized by the pineal gland to project this field of experience, the holographic representation of this experience field. The hologram is a representative. What your mind perceives has nothing to do with what really is. Your mind uses sensory preceptors that are constructed in such as way as to be excited and most curious and most believing in this holographic representation. Sometimes part of the challenge in coming in form is realizing that this holographic representation, while it is convenient in terms of developing mind skills of perception, really only are scratching the surface of what is underneath. The preceptors with which you really perceive this field of experience, these we have called or we have put together in a concept called feeling. Not emotion, not thought, kind of these mushed together with a few other elements.

In gathering the dream you utilize another part of your head. It forms a bridge between not only the mind, the intellect, the thinking/sensory perceiving/constructor of reality, but also the body which is the vehicle, the point of focus, for you. It provides a bit of a bridge for allowing the feedback loop to complete its journey as it moves from the projection into the represented field and comes back into the body. And that particular part of your head you know as the thalamus. You are familiar with this?

Group: Yes.

Peter: Good. We are glad Lassiter our anatomist is here.

Lassiter: I was just going to ask if you would say that again!

Group: Laughter.

Peter: What do you know of the thalamus, anatomist friend.

Lassiter: I don't know anything about it except what it looks like and where it is.

Peter: Those are mind activities are they not?

Lassiter: Those are labels and I don't remember what it is supposed to do.

Peter: Actually, all of you do whatever you assign it to do so it is not like there is a constant in that.

We have described this particular part, it is centered in your head (probably, unless your heads are really unusually, and there are some of you that may have that experience as well). And this provides a bridge for the flow of not only in-form-ation, but for the codes that will trigger the unfolding of What You Want. Your system is geared to What You Want.

The simple answer for What You Want, your ego-identity can make lists upon lists upon lists. And that is the dimensional aspect of What You Want. When we are speaking here we are including that, but it is a broad picture of What You Want. It includes such things as who you are, what you're doing here, many things that are involved in defining that particular concept. You construct your energy fields based upon What You Want. So this particular bridge is a good place to go to if you are wanting to know what it is you want. We are saying this, if you discover someone who has a terminal illness or who is defined in your more traditional ways as having a short time left in the form, it is not complex in dealing with ones like this. When you teach them how to go to the thalamus and find the rhythm there, there is a procedure the 12 will do which involves pounding on your head, so to speak.

Group: laughter.

Peter: But it is not a brick wall.

So that you find the rhythm of, the music of the thalamus. For it is like a tiny little begin point for the strand, the strand of you, the cosmic string, the DNA and so on, that connect What You Want with what you project.

It is true, you can keep this in terms of a straight dimensional explanation. "I want a new car. Alright. In tune. Things begin to come into your field of perception, and the car is part of that." It is not about an outcome dimensionally oriented process, although you cannot exclude that. The magic that you would define, or the miracle that you would define is that it seems to defy logic and yet what it is really doing is opening your true perception of what it is you want. The Gathering Dream, this point in the thalamus, this process for beginning to Gather the Dream, is an important one especially for those of you who are living in this time, in these places, with this holographic representation in order to… yes, we will use the Army phrase … be all you can be. Reach the pinnacle of possibility in terms of your effectiveness in expressing what you want. It is really your job. Not accomplishing some accumulated outcome, but expressing what you want. Being that expression 100%.

Do you see this, Harris?

Harris: I get the surface concept. I'm still trying to get a sense of what all is encompassed in it. It's obviously related to perception and creation.

Peter: And it is fine to keep it in a dimensional definition for the present.

Harris: What is its location relative to the pineal?

Peter: They are neighbors.

Lassiter: I seem to remember that all the neurons in the brain go through the thalamus and that all parts of the brain are connected through the thalamus.

Peter: That would be a good thing. That would be helpful.

Lassiter: Is it the part between the reptile brain and the intellectual brain?

Peter: It is about in the center of your head complex. If you could slice this head in two it would be about in the center of the mass in the neighborhood of the pineal gland. The pineal gland would be a little forward to that, but not a lot.

Harris: How does memory fit in to the Gathering of the Dream.

Peter: There are different kinds of memory. There is the memory of the mind, the "mind memory." Mind memory is an accumulation of perceptions, these limited perceptions of the mind, the intellect. So memories would provide in-form-ation that feed into the Gathering Dream. Belief systems also would feed in to the construct of the dream. You are like hunters and gatherers, you are gathering together the energies of all that you are and What You Want, and in so doing you are including in that the mind memory, you are including in that the mind perception/belief system, and other things. Does that answer your question in term of memory?

Harris: The mind memory, yes, but that's not the only memory there is. That memory is what scientists normally attribute to storage locations in the brain itself. But there is the memory in the brain stem too which is more like the memory of the ages. Like ancestral.

Peter: Then you must include in that all the possible futures. If you are expanding memory to include all, then it includes all of the time lines, the past and the future. And, yes, you have all of that too.

As you diminish the importance of cause and effect, as you Gather the Dream (and this will be what we really go in to at our next dialog) then you open up the unlimited nature of possibilities. And when you do that you erase the need for time. You have no requirement that there be designations as such, and at the same time, you are free to embrace the entirety of time. It is not that you are choosing one or the other, you are liberating yourselves so that you can embrace all. And with that powerful tool then you become knowledgeable. You have the access to the, the resources of, all. And with those resources in the form of memory as an element of the Gathering Dream, you can have access to every metaphor, every myth, every magic that the mind could/would/has ever/will ever use. In addition to, another part of the Gathering Dream, is the Memory of Now. This Memory of Now is the label that we are putting on all of the time line, all of the pasts, all of the presents, all of the futures embraced in a simple single Gathering.

So in this Gathering Dream you are involving your machine (if we may use that word to describe your point of focus in this particular dimensional system), you are using all of the equipment of this particular Point of Focus. And you are using that equipment in order to gather together possibilities and probabilities of a dimensional nature washed and cleaned and spiffied up without the need of cause and effect, perhaps, but gathered up nonetheless.

This Gathering Dream has this technical way that it functions in your form. And the 12 will have much more to say about that as you do some demonstrations with yourselves. If you talk to Sage, when you play your music, you are stimulating, vibrating, your bridge. And when you do this in certain times and in certain ways, you are already Gathering the Dream.

It is not complicated. It is not difficult. It is something you do all the time. All of you in your lives you do this. What we are hoping to do in this series is have a group dream gathering. Very powerful. Very powerful in that you take the process of one of you and it is not like multiplying by how many of you, it is expanding exponentially. It is a very powerful process, and it won't cost anything or be painful. So it has that going for it.

Group: chuckle.

Peter: Now let us talk for a bit about Dream. By dream, as we said, we are not limiting this to that time when you are asleep. The imagery of the Dream is usually an action that is stimulated in order to allow the mind to fully participate in the dreamstate. However, what the mind is conjuring and the stories and the images and the feelings, are not necessarily the fully extent of what you are doing. It is true, the feeling states that you are creating and stimulating and vibrating, you're setting them in motion. You're twirling them, intertwining them as they get in touch with the universe, the cosmos of which you are a designated part. It is very much like your body is the center of strands that connect and flow through and around you and twirl and so on, so that it almost is as if you have to be stationary for there are so many things that are flowing and moving and whooshing back and forth that are connecting to you. And yet from this center point of all these wonderful energies and vibrations, you are the director. You are the director of what strings will play, which ones will go fast, which ones will go slower, and so on. And we are using those terms to give you a picture not in any way to say that it is the speed of the movement that has anything to do with anything.

Sage: I'm imagining an Alex Gray painting, and animated and more than three dimensions. There are all these lines connected everywhere.

Peter: Yes, take your image and remember this: Within that little 'you' is the universe. It is not the strands that within you is the universe. And you begin to get the enormous expanse of you involved in this.

So what the Gathering Dream is about is about determining yourself, the vibration, the flow of energy, which music will be playing when, and so on. The Gathering of the Dream is stimulating the experience field and the experience fields that will be focused upon. When you do this you allow for the expansion of three dimensions to 11, 5,000, a million. You are permitting, you are granting permission for this to participate with you very directly in your construct. And you say, "Why would anybody in their right mind want such a large component of focus?" And we say to you, when you want to change your self, which will in turn change the world, that's one way to do it. It can be very simple. It does not to have long explanations. It is a part of your work.

All of you came here with this knowing. You may have it constructed or painted or pictured a different way in terms of what you have experience, the beliefs that you bring to this point in the Now. But you are coming together, however diverse your picture might be, you are coming together NOT by accident. Not by accident. You are coming together on purpose. We almost said "to" but we do not want to fill in that blank at this point.

Group: Awwww.. jeeze…

Peter: So the Gathering Dream begins. It has begun since before you awoke in this particular form/field of experience developing this particular mind to perceive in this particular way. It is beyond time and experience, and yet it forms a very important part of your next step. Your next step. It is not about doing something right or doing something wrong. No, no, none of that counts. It is not about choosing not to do, or to do. It is not about that. The Gathering of the Dream is something that you do all the time. This particular one is a little different in that you are deliberately, with great intension and foresight, reconstructing the Gathering of the Dream and allowing it to unfold without the constraints of cause and effect.

Now, dreamstate has many definitions, many ways of looking at it. Some say it is the maximum healing state. And there are anecdotal proofs of that. There are others who say the dreamstate is, in fact, reality and the waking state is the non-real. And there is anecdotal stories to prove that. Some would say the dreamstate is important in that it enables you to cycle, logically deal with, the world around you. And there is anecdotal proof to show that. Basic to all of those stories, and remember, when something is anecdotal it is metaphorical, sometimes mythical, usually magically, and as such they are stories for mind understanding. We are speaking of the dream now not in terms of mind understanding only. We are looking at it in terms of energy. What is the Gathering of the Dream in terms of energy?

If you imagine that energy flows, it has frequency, it has vibration especially the closer it gets to the holographic representation, and as it moves into the holographic representation it then begins to take on characteristics of myth, metaphor and magic so that you can perceive what it is. And then you might have a dream at night, or a daydream during the day, or a healing dream here, or whatever. We are speaking of before that point so to speak. What is the energy? What is this rate of vibration that you are seeking in order to Gather the Dream, not so much for the mind to experience another myth, metaphor or magic, but so that the bridge leading to the pineal gland will have new in-form-ation to project through the crystalline fractal. What is this new in-form-ation? That is a function, of course, of your free will. There is not a right way or wrong thing in order to do this. It is an understanding of this construct so that you can begin to utilize this fine-tuning of your mechanism to create a world and an experience field in which you can exist, thrive, do whatever it is you want to do.

You say, "That seems very selfish." We say to you, there is no thing other than you so what does that mean, selfish? It is about identifying your 'self.' When you truly identify your self you are identifying all. And when you reach your arms wide enough to embrace the all, that is not selfish.

The emotional response to an experience field sometimes is utilized in this process of projecting the feedback, projecting the feedback, and so on. So the Gathering of the Dream we are talking about is not for the purpose of developing psychological images or emotional response that may enable you to better cope with life or things of this sort, although you may find that to be an outcome. Outcomes are not functions of what you do. Outcomes are functions of what you create. Perception is whatever you make it to be, whatever you create it to be. Your perception is only limited if you choose it to be. In Gathering the Dream you are in a sense risking, especially if you are one of these 3-dimensional, on-the-line, steady-as-she-goes types, of course that doesn't explain any of you! But if you were one of those and you get involved with this you may have lots of 'wows' and 'Ah-has' in your expression, for this is not about connecting outcome with an event, that is cause and effect. This is breaking cause and effect in the dimensional system in the most common, ordinary way. And we are using the dream for it provides easier access to the bridge than you mind.

We can sit and talk about it. You can think about it. You can wish about it and so on. But until you actually agree to do it, it is an intellectual exercise. When you agree to not harness the energy field, that is what you are doing, but you are summoning the energy field. You are allowing the energy field. You are embracing the energy field. Do you see that difference?

Harris: This sounds like 5th mode of prayer.

Peter: Of course, of course. For you begin to live in a different experience field. That different experience field is newly created, perhaps. Or perhaps it is familiar to you. You can decorate your set any way you want. We can say this to you, when you begin to direct the flow of energy and gather this field and learn to fine-tune yourself (your mechanism, and so on), and gather dreams you will begin to notice that who you are, and what you do, and how your experience unfolds is not dependent upon anything other than truly being in your heart and knowing what you want.

We know this is going to turn Lucet off, however, the bottom line is that this comes from the heart. This is based on the true concept of love, not some romantic lust (although that has its merit points at times). But here we are speaking of, just as the dream is not merely a sleep state, love is not merely that kind of romantic emotion. And the reason or one of the explanations, perhaps, for the power of this heart-felt love is the vibration it automatically creates. It begins to spiral the strands and they begin to hum and sing in a beautiful, magnificent way.

Have any of you ever fallen in love? Of course you have. It may not have lasted but you did it at least once. And in that particular beginning state you were enormously healthy, your breathing was sublime, your attitude (which influences what you will perceive by the way), the belief systems you were conjuring and constructing. It was amazing, perhaps, how you were functioning in this particular state. You might have heard someone in it say, "I don't know when I had my last meal. I don't think I've had my feet on the ground for days." This is not necessarily metaphorical. It is very powerful when you step into the particular vibration and rhythm of who you truly are which is an expression of What You Want. These two are like twins.

The Gathering of the Dream is important not only interesting to you in terms of your personal selves and your personal actions, but it is also interesting and might be fun to have a go at in terms of a more cosmic notion. There are many who are seeking to define and delineate dimensions, and define and delineate energy fields, and define and delineate this process. We say to you, all of these things can be summarized in that they are seeking to Gather the Dream.

The dream concept is more effective in that it lets you know we are not here seeking for some sort of mental exercise, intellectual endeavor, etc. Dream states are usually not always founded in logic. They are not bound to some form of explanation. They are not locked into a linear flow so that this goes and then this goes and then this goes. Sometimes you may have said of your dreams, "It didn't make any sense. It seemed like snapshots. Sometimes it is in color, sometimes it's in black and white. Sometimes there is movement. Sometimes there is no sound." The many different ways of explaining or describing this concept of dream gives it a freedom that other such concepts don't have. It liberates it from notions that it must make sense, that you must find meaning in it.

The Gathering of the Dream gives you the freedom to truly express, experience and find the vibration, the key, the scale of your particular music. Those particular vibrations and frequencies that allow you, while as ego-identity, while thinking with your mind, while experiencing with your body, while recognizing these strands that you are not some sort of one person and there are hundreds and thousands of other people. You are, in fact, like the center of the spider web. You are the Point of Focus for the energy fields, the vast energy fields (think of the spider web dimensionally as opposed to two-dimensions or as a plane). So, these liberators of the Gathering Dream give you this opportunity.

Dream, then, is really energy fielding itself in terms of feeling states. You may want to think about that idea. For when you allow it to be energy fields, when you allow it to emerge from the nothingness into the something that is not bound or limited, but that is absolutely free flowing, then you allow it a kind of presence and companionship for you that can facilitate your own growth and expansion.

We use the term dream. Gathering? Why gathering? You flow with dream states all the time. You flow through energy fields, experience fields (these are more defined energy fields called experiences). You flow with, through, in, out, around these all the time. You are not stationary in terms of your choices or your freedom to choose what and so on. So when you with great deliberation, you with great decision, are going to map these experience fields, energy fields, gathering them, summoning them, ceremonially inviting them to join with you as an expression of Who and What you Are and What You Want. This particular process is like a gathering. It is not commanding, or demanding, or controlling or manipulating. Those who would use those particular aspects are stepping into defined feeling state and thus limiting the Gathering Dream.

It may seem to you that if you could control it you could have more freedom with it. That is not so. When you come upon those who have learned of the vibration, they've learned to feel the frequency, they've learned to move into the feeling state of the connection of the bridge, these ones if they are insisting upon harnessing or controlling it, often their lives are more scattered and inexplicable to themselves than someone who knows nothing of this concept. And they may even ponder this. They may wonder at this. And, of course, as we said to you, it is a way to experience. There is nothing you can do that is wrong. Everything you do is of benefit. Everything has some gift for you. Even great pain.

Identifying the energy fields, gathering them, summoning them, ceremonially, flowing into and around and with the frequencies and the vibrations

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that connect to the bridge. As Lassiter was saying, yes, if you look only at your physical form it would seem that many of your puppet strings (so to speak) come together and are forming little bundles and so on. Perhaps that is a great symbol of possibility. It does not and is not intended to limit your notion that these bundled puppet strings also move out. You also have the flow beyond the skin.

You have heard, perhaps, of the aspects of body. There is body, there is astral body, there is ethereal body, there is this body, that body, no body, every body.

Group: laughter.

Peter: Such definitions and designations provide you with some interesting clues. Not meant to limit you to these labels or these particular notions but to let you know that your body is not merely what is housed within your skin. It involves many, many energy fields that are quite expansive, that are quite resourceful. When you feel your most helpless you are preparing to step across a threshold into an understanding of the tremendous resources and abilities and capabilities that you have. If you find yourself being bound by dimensional reality and linear thinking (we are referring to you, Lassiter) remember on this evening if you cannot remember it due to circumstances beyond your control in the days ahead, you are not bound. As you're moving your hands like this, release yourself from this notion that the resources are somehow very specific, very identifiable, very here. There are resources beyond your imaginings at this point. But we're getting there. We're getting there.

So the Gathering of the Dream is an important thing. You do it all the time in one way or another. What we are going to do is put some understandings with it so that its usefulness, its awareness to you is there. These are the times of awakening. This is the time of becoming aware. This is the time of no more hiddens. The mystery schools, the alchemists, their in-form-ation is flowing forth, is ready for all of you. So is, too, the Gathering Dream. So the thalamus is an important new neighbor in the process of your creating reality system and creating your perception of it.

Do you have questions?

Lassiter: I like this idea of let the things come to you and they become a companion to you. Donna and I were talking before about pushing and I talked about how I recognized pushy my energy can be. Taking what you said from that point of view, the things that I create are not necessarily my companions, they become more irritants.

Group: laughter.

Peter: Irritants can be companions, but not necessarily good ones.

Group: laughter.

Lassiter: I have found if I am able to let things develop in their own time they are much more satisfying.

Peter: Yes, and what do you suppose patience is related to? If we may use that term to describe 'waiting for it to unfold.'

You do not have to leave Lassiter on the spot if some of you have other notions.

Harris: Patience in this context would be like leaving the door open, not closing it yet so that more can come in.

Peter: Interesting construct, Harris. We would refer all of you to your great wise teachers, the little ones. If you ever watch a very young child, they can sit for hours and pound with a spoon on a pot. Much to your consternation, perhaps, but they can do it nonetheless. Isn't that interesting? What do you suppose they're doing?

James: Living in the moment.

Lassiter: Gathering the dream.

Harris: Getting as much information as they could.

Peter: Gathering the dream, yes. Gathering information, yes. Living in the now, yes.

It is not what they are doing, it is they're free openness and their willingness to embrace new ideas. These wise teachers are patient until they reach a certain age, perhaps some of you have noticed that. And when they reach a particular age they seem to move into an insistence that everything be accomplished in the moment. That they be allowed to have the ice cream, and go out and play, and swim in the pool all simultaneously. And then adults describe their inability to have this kind of open door policy as the need to focus on earning the living, and the need to get everyone up in the morning, and the need to have the bare necessities provided for, and the need to this, and the need to that.

When the 'need to' crowds out the Gathering of the Dream, it's time to rethink the energy fields, is it not? If all could stay like the little child or the very old. If you watch the very elderly. You say, "they have no choice they can't move very fast so they have to be slow."

Group: Laughter

Peter: Perhaps that is true. Harris, is that true?

Group: Laughter

Harris: There are a lot of visuals to respond to that, Peter, but I'll just keep my hands still.

Peter: We kid with you, Harris.

And it may be that the weathering of time itself brings you full circle back to that childhood when sitting on the floor with the spoon pounding the pot could entertain you for hours and hours.

Harris: As you open to noticing and you encounter an experience that you had in the past, that you notice something different than you noticed before. It creates a conflict between an old belief system and the information that you're gathering now. So you leave the door open because you realize, "Well, I thought I had it before, I don't have it, so let's get some more information here."

Peter: It's not so much that you don't have it, it is that you are not perceiving it.

Harris: Your belief systems create the nature of your focus.

Peter: Remember, your belief systems are couched in cause and effect. And while this is an interesting tool and toy and you may drag it out and play with it, if you find that as the juggler you have two balls and an old Ford pickup and the Ford pickup is an old belief system. And it's very hard to juggle the balls and the old Ford pickup. It may be that allowing the Ford pickup to sit off to the side would be helpful in your act.

This time where definitions of the energy fields, dear ones, definitions by everyone are now moving beyond references to cause and effect. It is like dominos that are falling and making beautiful patterns in this huge room and the requirement or the need for couching yourselves and your definitions in cause and effect, that is not the pressing issue here.

Harris: In an article in a scientific journal, it says that the only way to explain what's going on is for there to be millions of dimensions. It can't be explained if it is all focused in one dimension. That sounds very unscientific to me on the surface. What it says to me is that you have to take it on faith because we can't explain it.

Peter: Of course there is faith, Harris.

Harris: That's the one of the three energies that has always been tough for me.

Peter: We would ask you about "you have to take it on faith". Is that a pre-supposition for you?

Harris: No, it is a choice of phrase.

Peter: You didn't mean it.

Harris: I was using that phrase to describe the nature of this scientific suggestion.

James: On Scientific American web site they are saying there HAS to be, of necessity, multiple parallel dimensions of probability.

Harris: That is not the kind of information you would expect out of the scientific community.

Gerry: It shows how the scientific community is changing.

Harris: The classic scientist uses cause and effect in order to prove. The scientific method is the cause and effect method of proving a hypothesis. And science is moving away from that. At least some scientists are.

Peter: Faster than you might have thought. Maybe not that speeding bullet yet.

Harris: Well that particular concept is a biggie for a scientist to come up with. It says, "Well, I can't explain it."

Peter: When you hear them start with the presupposition that they are creating it as they perceive it, then you will understand that they have something to say. The fascinating role and contribution of these ones, these thinkers (whether they be scientists or whatever), the thinking people, those you rely upon it, value it and sometimes worship it, the true value of the thinkers comes when they reach that enlightenment that allows them to say, "I think it, that which I have created." So it is not that they are discovering new thought processes or ideas. They are coming to the realization that, "this came from within me and became part of this projection, energy field, field of experience, Gathering of the Dream process."

But perhaps they are not there quite yet. Those who are there are perhaps being locked away.

Lassiter: Or afraid to say it.

Peter: Whatever you hear the scientists say, you could say as well. For as they create and then seek to perceive that which they create, so do you.

Harris: To me science is the classic cause and effect world.

Peter: Used to be.

Harris: When I think of cause and effect and how it is used the scientists of history, in the past, used cause and effect to prove the world is the way it is or prove whatever they were saying.

Peter: That tended to prop up the industrialization of your timeline for those who are following that particular metaphorical expression. However, more basic to cause and effect is the belief system and the construct of building in the linear sense inside yourself one experience leading to another experience, leading to another experiences. And based upon those experiences, which are merely encounters with fields of energy, constructing beliefs about who you are and how the world operates. Freedom from this is what some are seeking. Releasing from the bounds and the bonds of not self-doubt, this kind of self-imprisonment in beliefs and constructs of belief.

Lassiter: Part of it is pulling your energy back from those constructs. Reclaiming the energy you've put into the construct. And then the construct falls away.

Peter: Yes, and it does not mean that you cannot play with this. It is still a tool and toy. You are not bound into it.

Sage: There is a big release, or ah-ha about not resolving everything within one metaphor. For example, inside the scientific metaphor trying to explain everything that way. That turns it inside out because that is really only one belief system. There is another belief system that can exist beside it at the same time and they can explain it in their way in their belief system.

Harris: There is no unified field.

Sage: Not around me.

Group: Laughter.

Peter: We would say your unified field of self, Sage, is that you are the King.

Lassiter: I've been trying to do that all my life, trying to make it all fit into a unified field.

Harris: And the only way it its is if you are the center of the universe.

Peter: And then it does not have to make sense.

Harris: The King never has to make sense.

Peter: It's good to be the King.

Sage: The King doesn't have to explain himself to anybody, even himself.

Harris: The most recent revelation to me is the War in Iraq (2003). I grew up with a parent who is a historian, and war is the major piece of information in history where you can move from one time period to another. This war in Iraq I suddenly had this sense that it's the final major battleground for cause and effect. So is it right that the US did what it did? No, it just happened and it's an opportunity to discover new information that we've never noticed before. And another piece of information that came to me is if you demonstrate against the war, you're not demonstrating for peace. Mother Theresa said something to that effect and said, "If you demonstrate for peace I'll be there."

Peter: Think about this. Just as your body has all of these aspects and alternates and exists simultaneously in time and space, all time, all space, so, too, do all the constructs that your body encounters. So when you speak of a nation or a country, remember it also, like you, has all of these various aspects and so on. So that the government that you experience directly with your sensory preceptors, your President Bush, for example, remember there is also all of these layers of government. We are not here speaking of department heads, and so on. We are speaking of astral and various other energy fields so to speak, of any concept that you have.

So we would say to you, when there is tremendous focus in only one way, then what happens to the aspects? Instead of flowing round in a combined, connected way, it flattens out and becomes like a funnel. It may start out like a circle, but then it's like a jet engine blowing air on the front, and it whooshes back that way. And this is just for illustration. We are not suggesting that your President Bush whooshes back like a funnel.

Group: Laughter.

Peter: What happens when the connections are relinquished or disengaged for the sake of the pulling together in a linear sort of way, then the paths that are marked by those at the front of the line are going to provide some interesting experience fields that you do not have to follow along.

You have heard metaphors and myths of secret governments and the powerful handful on your planet that rule, and all the alien beings who are waiting for you to come to your senses or they're going to invade. These provide wonderful metaphorical references, but when you erase all the story lines what it comes down to is a choice of the dimension. The traditional this way or that way. Perhaps there are grades in between, but it is basically choose this or choose this. And if you choose this then this and this and this will happen. If you choose this then this and this and this will happen. That is the most cause and effect linear way of looking at it.

What all of you in your meditations are attempting to do is not focus on these bad times and "Oh, how horrible it is. The world is coming to an end. Alien invaders are going to destroy us, etc., etc." This may be well and good in defining how you feel. You feel threatened, you feel unsafe, you feel insecure, you feel sad, you feel sorrow. This is a feeling state. You do not, however, have to construct a cause and effect linear metaphor in which to couch these feelings.

Allow the feelings to be, not to overwhelm you. Allow yourself to embrace them as a part of a potential construct for you. And when you do that you begin to connect again and make the circle complete. It is when you destroy the circle that you lose your footing sometimes, for the blast is coming right into your face. You do not have the wonderful circle in which to aerodynamically deflect the flow, shall we say. And, of course, that was metaphorical, not meant to be fact.

Harris: I feel disconnected from everything much of the time as if it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. Is that typical of Gathering the Dream?

Peter: "Disconnect in that it doesn't matter," you are still tying it into finding meaning. The meaning doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What did the war mean? What was it for? Did you find the weapons? Did you destroy the bad guys?

Harris: I'm not talking about just the war, but I'm disconnected emotionally from much of what is going on. I observe and notice. It's like it doesn't matter. I go back to doing whatever I was doing. Almost like I'm ignoring it.

Peter: Have you become overwhelmed by the feeling states when you are as you would describe whatever connected is to you? How does that feel, in other words?

Harris: The same kind of feeling that accompanied the feeling of overwhelm in the past, but I don't feel overwhelmed as much as I just feel disconnected. It's not too much information, it's not too much to handle, it's not too much to do. It's not the classic circumstances of overwhelm, but the feeling state is a disconnect that I often used in the past when I did feel overwhelmed.

Peter: Has the nature of your caring changed? Is it that you do not care as much, or at all?

Harris: There's a sense of it doesn't matter, but it's not about not caring.

Peter: Do you care that it doesn't matter?

Harris: Nor does it matter that I don't care most of the time.

Group: Laughter.

Lassiter: I feel like I understand what you're saying, Harris.

Donna: I do too.

Peter: Is there a helplessness in your feeling?

Lassiter: No.

Harris: No. That's what the 'it doesn't matter' is about. I don't feel helpless because I'm not responsible for any outcome. I'm participating in the creation and whatever happens, happens.

Peter: And you are waiting, that next step? Or do you feel you are creating that next step? Or both?

Harris: As this discussion was unfolding I recognized that I'm a part of the process of creating it, but in the day-to-day feeling of disconnect, I haven't had a sense of creating it. It's really like being an observer, watching a movie that is unfolding, and responding to it with feelings, but the big picture is 'it doesn't matter.'

Peter: Is there some thing that does matter? Or are all things like different metaphors that …

Harris: When I say it doesn't matter, I don't mean that I don't care. I do care. But it's like a part of me recognizes, as Kay would say, is it really going to matter in 100 years. And if it is one of those, then, yes, it matters. It's difficult to describe. The easiest way to describe it is that it is such a small part of the big picture it doesn't change the big picture in a significant way.

Gerry: This whole discussion has brought up for me an Emissary session that Kackie and I did. We dealt specifically with the issue of the War in Iraq, or what we call the war. I can't remember much of it, but part of it is the energy of what's happening is a part of the breaking down of cause and effect. It's really going away and we're here watching it go away. What I keep thinking in your observation is that perhaps part of the reason we had the war is all this energy hit and we had the powers that be define it. So the easiest thing to do is fall back on the old system of good guys and bad guys. We played all that out really quickly. The other piece of it is there are a whole bunch of us out there who are not interested in defining it anymore or putting it in a box. We just know that things are changing and it is going to be weird for a while. All these big things that are going on are really not important.

Sage: That's related to what I've been thinking in that if I stay down there in the common view or most-shared view, that keeps me in there. It keeps it there. Not caring about it is a rationale for stepping out of it and being at a level that can include that but not make that be the only thing that is possible or going to happen.

Peter: Now all you have something to do with your time when you do not want to get involved in the masses, especially those who are reluctantly and tenaciously holding on to the old ways, you can be gathering dreams. Gathering the Dreams. Gathering and gracing the experience fields and the energy fields.

Harris: With indifference.

Group: Laughter.

Lassiter: With the conscious choice of whether or not you're going to lend energy to that event.

Harris: For me it's not just the war.

Lassiter: Whatever the event. For example, someone comes to you and tells you what happens and often they're trying to evoke some kind of emotional response from you, or some kind of "Isn't it horrible," or "Isn't it wonderful," or "Isn't it great." So from that perspective that we're talking about, you can choose, "How much do I want to participate in this event by putting my energy into it?" With the war, I listened to the news and I watched the stuff on TV because I was intellectual interested, but emotionally I was feeling disconnected like it didn't matter, I just didn't care. I think that was a way of allowing the energy to move through without investing a lot of personal energy in to it.

Gerry: Emissary said that this was one of the first mass events in which effect actually happened before cause. We went through it so quickly because the effect was a done deal.

Harris: We created the effect, then went after the cause.

James: Still going after it looking for weapons of mass destruction.

Lassiter: Emissary said it was more like an event where we were connecting with each other on a global consciousness to modulate the event. Not control it so much. To some extent the creation of it was more conscious than previous events.

Donna: My guess is that when you say you don't care there really is caring. For example since we're focusing on the war, hearing the stories about some people that are madly searching for relatives that were taken away years ago is heart-opening. My guess is that you care. There is the feeling, there is an empathy, a genuine hope or affection or concern for that person. But it's not being attached to it.

Sage: There are levels of caring. Pictures of kids, and people stories like that I felt there was some kind of circular energy going around. I'm feeling a lot of compassion but at the level of looking at the larger countries. I don't care about the politics. I don't want to be a part of it at that level. But I don't care about anything except the people.

Lassiter: Some of the people stories have really touched my heart. It makes them real like they're just like us. I could really